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Noha Beshir's avatar

I mean, you already know how angry reading all of this makes me every single week, and yet here I am...

Honestly, what you said makes sense to me, all of it, but especially the part of it being basically irrelevant. Like you said, we are getting wall to wall coverage of the murder of the embassy workers and yet essentially nothing about civilians that are treated as though they are legitimate targets...

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Jasper Nathaniel's avatar

You’d think that the mainstream media could at least report that smotrich had explicitly sanctioned killing civilians the very same week.

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Noha Beshir's avatar

They conveniently miss every genocidal statement that every Israeli official makes. The hypocrisy is truly something to behold.

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Medina's avatar

Thanks again for this! Much appreciated!

Just a few thoughts -

The humanization of the Israeli embassy employees reveals that the violence is coming from inside the house because power protects power & those who align with power get love stories. Empire feigns innocence in order to deceive & obscure context. Our job is to understand both their tactics and the material reality that led to this. If violence against them is labeled as senseless hatred, then any attempt to explain what happened through a materialist lens will get you labeled as someone who justifies violence.

It's true that lone acts of violence won't lead to systemic change, and it's also true that structural violence of capitalism and empire states is rarely, if ever, punished. Just look at how they've managed to successfully rehabilitate George Bush. And If I say all this out loud many will think I'm justifying the murders or that I enjoyed it b/c we are conditioned to think in binaries.

The deeper problem is that many still don't grasp just how violent empire is & so if you try to explain that empire is the root cause of the cycle of reactionary violence you'll be seen as someone celebrating death.

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Elsie H.'s avatar

All of the most annoying people on the internet are masturbating furiously over these murders.

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Joelle's avatar

I’m just here for the Sara Netanyahu updates.

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Vee's avatar

Brilliant. Thanks!

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Kareem Shirazi's avatar

As per usual, deftly navigating tricky waters. Thanks for this.

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Elsie H.'s avatar

I will quote “The Prime of Miss Jean Brodie”:

> Mary McGregor died a fool—her brother was fighting on the side of the Republicans!

Liberal Zionists are fools. The only use Israel has for Liberal Zionists is as human shields.

So, yes, this attack was antisemitic inasmuch as Israel deliberately put Yaron and Sarah in harm’s way as an expression of Israeli antisemitism or, to use the technical term, shlilat ha’golah.

Israel hates Jews.

For comparison, remember that the IDF moved security forces from the Gaza perimeter to the West Bank after receiving warnings of an impending attack before Oct 7th.

And, for comparison, Itamar Ben-Gvir started a riot here in Crown Heights, and nothing at all happened to him.

Settlers get security and protection. Liberal Zionists do not.

> Some of you may die, but that’s a sacrifice… I’m willing to make.

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Anthony Rafael Worman's avatar

In response to: “when I weigh all this against one of the most horrific weeks in Gaza since the war began, the idea that it’s the pro-Palestine movement that needs to reform strikes me as one of the stupidest, most offensive, and openly racist deflections I’ve ever seen.” What needs to reform is the black and whiteness of the extremism of things like “from the river to the sea” and “globalize the intifada” bearing in mind this murder was on American soil.

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Jasper Nathaniel's avatar

The point is not that the pro-Palestine movement is perfect (it is not). But as long as ongoing mass murder on one side is completely normalized and actively supported by every major institution, I have no interest in critiquing the other. Their fire will lower down when Israel stops feeding it corpses.

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Argia Egurzegi's avatar

I don't see anything extreme in chanting for the freedom of a people.

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johan bartholomeus's avatar

completely disagree, we have more and more governments that increasingly set aside international and even national law for their empire needs & wants and civilians can only protest by walking the streets? signing letters? spraying the front of complicit corporations offices? Israeli genocidal pigs, and let's be clear, if you look at both of the couple's social media, they are rabid zionists ànd they work for the "diplomatic" side of their lying, murdering government, which literally pays them to do their propaganda. They should not be safe. ANYWHERE. Israeli, and, as far as i'm concerned any western member of government, weapons manufacturing, complicit media, openly zionist should feel threatened every single second of the remainder of their life. Because it becomes increasingly clear that international law will not step in (did you see the ICC making an arrest warrant for Smotrich, making his intentions openly clear on TV?). It is also becoming increasingly clear that the murdering will not stop, until they are forced. Armed resistance is the only thing left at this point. Let them have a thorough taste of their own medicine

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Jasper Nathaniel's avatar

Yeah, I obviously agree the sanctioned forms of dissent are nowhere near adequate. But it’s a real slippery slope once you start justifying assassinations based on someone’s job, social media posts, or vague notions of complicity. That’s literally Israel’s playbook, and I don’t think we beat them by copying it, morally or strategically.

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Kira's avatar

Hi Johan, I live in America and America funds Israel. It also has funded many wars around the world. I also live on stolen land from Native Americans, many of whom were murdered, and many of whom continue to live in poverty due to broken treaties, etc. Do I deserve to be murdered for being complicit in the US's foreign and domestic actions? I went on a Birthright trip to Israel prior to being educated on the realities of Israel's actions, should I have been killed back when I considered myself a Zionist even though now I don't identify as one? Perhaps these diplomats would have change their positions in the future and could have been activists toward peace, you never know.

these are genuine questions. I think your sentiment pushes people away rather than brings them in to understand your viewpoint and change their stance on I-P.

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Medina's avatar

I understand why you're asking these questions, but I don't want to conflate a structural critique with attacks on personal safety.

I think we get trapped in a moral loop debating whether violence is ever justified & we quickly get rattled when it reaches our doorstep. But these lone acts of violence don't emerge from a vacuum. They're products of a much deeper violence. Whether someone argues for or against this is irrelevant. The system will produce these acts of violence. It feels like it's inevitable.

This is what we all need to understand and reckon with. It's a sobering reality. It's not about celebrating death.

The conditions that led to this were set in motion long ago and it won't stop until those material conditions change.

It's why I cannot center a hypothetical situation about whether two people complicit in a genocide might have changed.

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Kira's avatar

Hello, I appreciate your time in responding to me. I fully agree that this violence does not happen in a vacuum. When 10/7 happened, my first thought was "of course", and I felt the same with this shooting. My understanding of Johan's post was that he was justifying the killing, putting "shoulds" on who is a reasonable target for murder.

With a wide perspective, it is reasonable when people yell into what has felt like a vacuum about ending the genocide -- or at least allowing aide in to Gaza -- that acts of violence would occur. It is also predictable that those trying to hold to their power would overblow that violence while minimizing their own, and then use that violence to somehow justify more killing. I agree that we should not center these two murders, and instead center the hundreds lost in Gaza weekly (sometimes daily).

That said, there is a difference in saying, "despite the tragic loss of these two ambassadors, I will continue to support Palestine in their liberation, just today 100 people in Gaza died", and "these two lives don't matter and deserved to die given their job title". I think we can use grief to build coalition. Just like these 2 ambassadors had promise, the 9 children of the doctor had so much promise too.

This is my perspective at least

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Medina's avatar

I definitely understand where the discomfort is coming from. When tone feels like it crosses into justification our alarm bells go off. I also think its human to shift our framework a bit when violence hits close to home b/c we're trying to make sense of it, and that's also exactly why we should be careful not to make false equivalencies. This is where power dynamics matter.

Those 2 ambassadors weren't just individuals with untapped potential. They were part and parcel of the state apparatus. That's not neutral. To be a part of a colonial structure carrying out genocide means they held material power and influence. They aligned with power & felt protected. They had impunity. So they had no incentive to change. And then that illusion of righteousness and safety that that power gave them was shattered in an instant. This is why they're inundating us with their love story - empire using one of its many tricks up it's sleeves to keep it's narrative of innocence and humanity flowing. Ultimately I blame the state and all it's cohorts for this violence.

And It's why I'll never say I condemn these acts of violence - b/c I'm being asked to condemn it by the very system that produces this violence and leads to the killings of its own. The system kills freely and with impunity.

The 9 children killed weren't diplomats. They were targets for annihilation. So we have to stay rooted in structural analysis that centers power imbalances. Having said this, yeah even though I recognize what produces these lone acts of violence, they're ultimately futile. It's not strategy. Nothing will change until there's mass mobilization.

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Elsie H.'s avatar

I do tend to take the position that the United States is one of several primary responsible parties for the genocide in Gaza.

And, as we all know, the United States *loves* a good mass shooting.

So, yes, I believe the response to the shooting of Yaron and Sarah should be “thoughts and prayers”…

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johan bartholomeus's avatar

Hey Kira, first of all, thank you for restraining your comment, which was probably perceived in anger. Second, congratulations for partly rejecting the shackles and lies of zionism and choosing humanity instead. Most of my reply is been said more than adequately by Medina. I agree with Medina also that the structure of our complicit governments/nations depends on their citizens NOT to take the law into their own hands. The action of a lone wolf are always more abhorrent than the actions of the state. For that alone i will show support for the shooter rather then empathy for the death of a few zionists, that were openly defending their nation and their propaganda and denying the ongoing genocide. Did Eichmann ever repend? No, he remained convinced until his dying breath. I think once you engage in a genocide, a state organized daily mass murder of unarmed people, there is no turning back. Ever. Understandibly so, to really look into the mirror and question all your beliefs would lead you into utter despair. Your qoute : "these are genuine questions. I think your sentiment pushes people away rather than brings them in to understand your viewpoint and change their stance on I-P." Using the calling in vs calling out is out of reach here. There is no shame on the side of Israel. 43% still agrees with the ongoing genocide and many engage into pogroms themselves. And have you tried calling them in? Calling on their humanity? I have, this is how it goes : me 1000 arguments, sourced by historical documents/foto's/footage/witness testimonies them : 1. not true 2. dismiss 3. oct 7 these are the only answers you will ever get, besides namecalling.

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Jasper Nathaniel's avatar

Just chiming in on the “calling in vs. calling out” debate. Kira’s probably right that the perceived callousness of some in the pro-Palestine camp turns away people who might otherwise be waking up. But that callousness is a completely reasonable response to an ongoing genocide—one designed to crush dissent at every level. So in that sense, it’s a catch-22. The cycle won’t be broken by tone shifts; it’ll be broken by ending the genocide.

That said, no one is born with perfect politics. Persuasion is a critical part of this fight—and always has been. But the burden isn’t on dissenters to be endlessly polite, even if doing so might be tactically wiser (and I’m not convinced it is). In the meantime, those starting to see the light should trust their own eyes rather than flinch at tone online. Easier said than done, but it’s part of the responsibility in a moment like this.

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Grimalkin's avatar

Today's long and loathsome review of the horrors made me want to scream. How can any human with a brain ignore or support what is going on? Such insane and inhumane behavior is unconscionable.

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yahgayandtransnow's avatar

Herschel Grynszpan was a century ago. If he killed nazi official outside of a german museum, surely you'd say there is an iota of anti-german sentiment?

What a load of horseshit. The shooter was medically stupid, but in no way can you say this is anti-semetic, not even the vibe, the act, or what he said.

Also, who gives a single fuck what american jews think about this event? If most jewish americans actually cared about anti-semetism outside of using it as a beating stick, they would scream on the streets that israel doesnt represent judaism.

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Kira's avatar

Thank you again (as always) for taking the time to respond to my questions, especially about the sources. (I do look through the sources when I have the time.) The looting stuff is particularly disgusting to me, though probably the gratuitous killing is a few notches worse.

I want to clarify, the pro-palestinian movement need not censor themselves about their views or what is going on. Im specifically talking about discourse, speaking to people on the other side of the isle who have been fed propaganda and don't know the truths. I just see it every day all over social media where people ask genuine questions (like I did here) and are met with name-calling and dehumanizing comments. Idk maybe it's just people online act like that in all spaces. I'm 100% positive Zionists do it too. I guess this point is moot lol

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Jasper Nathaniel's avatar

See this on the looting: https://uk.news.yahoo.com/cindy-mccain-refutes-israel-claim-230156842.html

Yeah, the online discourse always sucks. I’d just try not to let some shitposters turn you off from a just and moral cause.

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Kira's avatar

I appreciate your thoughtful take on the D.C. shooting, it sums up my own viewpoint. Succinctly put, this is tragic, there is also daily tragedy in Gaza (it's hypocritical to talk about one without the other), and the location/context of this shooting seemed to be random Jew killing rather than a targeted one (even if your militaristic viewpoint is that ambassadors are "fair game" in love and war or whatever).

The discourse amongst anti-zionists related to this shooting has once again turned me off from calling myself an anti-zionist. It's reminiscent of people refusing to talk about the hostages or the deaths on 10/7... can't you acknowledge pain as pain? This self-righteous attitude has a distinct lack of coalition building in the Jewish Anti-Zionist movement which is further alienating Left-wing humanist Jews who still is Israel positively. I'd love to see more movements like Standing Together that actively work to bring people together, rather than name-call those who are still blind to Israel's atrocities/genocide. Which is why I appreciate your writings and this weekly release; to me it is intended to build coalition, a non-judgmental window that says "Look!!!!!!!!!!".

Some genuine questions on your reporting in-general is that... during war, how can we trust all the sources (like with the looting of aid trucks, I've read some articles and it was unclear how trusted the sources were)? Additionally, is the IDF no longer dropping flyers to evacuate homes before it bombs buildings?

Depressing weekly report as always, but I'm glad I'm getting the truth. this shit is so fucked. If they Trumpify Gaza, what then? ugh. Hunger strike?? I hope your article reaches more and more people so they can be exposed to the truths. Thank you, Jaz -- Kira (yes im a jew)

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Jasper Nathaniel's avatar

Regarding your comment about the antizionist movement, I agree there can be some callous sentiment that doesn’t feel so welcoming to those just opening their eyes, but ultimately I blame the perpetrators of the atrocities that are simultaneously trying to dox and ruin the activists’ lives. I’d point you to what I wrote here: https://infinitejaz.substack.com/p/the-civil-assassination-comes-home/comment/120428145?r=iyg6&utm_medium=ios

Re: flyers—Just about every day Israel is bombing civilians without any warning. On the occasions when they order them to evacuate, they often bomb the evacuation route.

Re: your question about reporting—I’m vetting the sources on my own, looking for corroboration from other sources, etc. With the looting, for example, I saw somebody live-tweeting it from the ground while it was happening, then saw it covered in multiple outlets. There’s lots I don’t include because I don’t feel confident enough in the sourcing, but ultimately I’m including the links so readers can decide for themselves.

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yahgayandtransnow's avatar

Aw, can't say you're anti-fascist because anti-fascists won't tell you you're the most oppressed?

Once again a liberal nazi who cries about their own oppression.

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Kira's avatar

Hello, I actually never claimed to be the most oppressed and certainly don't think I am

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